Some folks might think that Carl Icahn‘s plans for Apple’s cash pile is good for the company. After successfully taking Dell private, Michael Dell disagrees, though.

“It’s a big poker game to him,” says Dell. “It’s not about the customers. It’s not about the people. It’s not about changing the world. He doesn’t give a crap about any of that. He didn’t know whether we made nuclear power plants or French fries. He didn’t care.”